Six questions only a theist can answer!

[Augusto]

1. Why oceans are rich in salt and rivers aren't?
2. How mountains suck water up to the top in order for waterfalls to exist?
3. Why do we have clouds, rather than an uniform sky?
4. How lightnings happen?
5. What's up with those tiny ice crystals that are unique and stuff?
6. How hurricanes come into existence, and why aren't they eternal, once they appear?

Theist's answer: Only God knows.

Amen.

[wabbit111]

1. Why oceans are rich in salt and rivers aren't?
2. How mountains suck water up to the top in order for waterfalls to exist?
3. Why do we have clouds, rather than an uniform sky?
4. How lightnings happen?
5. What's up with those tiny ice crystals that are unique and stuff?
6. How hurricanes come into existence, and why aren't they eternal, once they appear?

Theist's answer: Only God knows.

Amen.

You mean 6 questions only a theist cannot answer.

[Augusto]

No, I meant what I said. Or do you know any atheist that can give a more satisfactory answer to those questions?

[wabbit111]

I think any child with a basic A level in science can answer all 6 questions with ease, be they theist or atheist.

[Augusto]

Ok, give it a try then.

[eyeshaveit]

"Walk on your tiptoes

Don?t try ?No-Doz?

Better stay away from those

That carry around a fire hose

Keep a clean nose

Watch the plain clothes

You don?t need a weatherman

To know which way the wind blows"

Nobel laureate poet, Bob Dylan.

[wabbit111]

I'll answer number one just to see what you are upto before I waste any time.

Salts from the earth are disolved in water flowing towards the sea. After millions of years of the sea evaporating the concentration of salts in the ocean has risen to 200 times the level in river water. condensed water falling on the land as rain contains no salts as the evaporation and condensation distills the salts out of suspension.

[Augusto]

Thanks, that makes perfect sense. Could you answer the other ones as well? I would really appreciate it. +1

[Tom]

1. Why oceans are rich in salt and rivers aren't?

Adequately answered.

2. How mountains suck water up to the top in order for waterfalls to exist?

Mountains are not responsible for sucking water up to the top in order for waterfalls to exist.  If mountains are needed for rain to fall then why does rain fall also over the oceans where no mountains exist.

The mechanisms to form rain droplets in both instances is the same, as the air current laden with water vapour rises the barometric pressures changes and the water vapour condenses and forms water droplets which then fall as rain.

When a plane flies through a rain storm the water droplets collect on the wing and then falls off the trailing edge of the wing just like a water fall.

3. Why do we have clouds, rather than an uniform sky?

If a person flies in a plane above the clouds the sky looks uniform to that person.  But when he looks down he will see the tops of the cloud.  it really depends on the vantage point one has in looking at the sky.

4. How lightnings happen?

electromagnetic charge is built up within two defined volume of the atmospheres by the force of the wind stripping electrons from particles such that one volume of the atmosphere accumulates all of the negatively charged particles while a separate volume of the atmosphere accumulates all of the positively charged particles.  When the potential electrical difference between these two atmospheric volumes is large enough there is an electrical discharge between the two volumes within the atmosphere and we see a light given off by the current as it travels from one of the volumes to the other.  As the electrical current passes through the atmosphere, it also heats the surrounding air up  such that it rapidly expands and then collapses when the current passes and no more heat is being given to the surrounding air as the electrical discharge pass through it, the expanded air implodes and we hear that as thunder.   Because of the distance that the lighting may travel, what we hear is a rumbling of the air as it implodes along the path of the lighting discharge.

5. What's up with those tiny ice crystals that are unique and stuff?

Never been introduced to inquire of them why they are so unique.  Perhaps the same question could be asked of humans.

6. How hurricanes come into existence, and why aren't they eternal, once they appear?

Because of the water cycle and how the water cycle is able to transfer large quantities of energy into the eye of the storm.  Turn off the energy source and the swirling storm ceases to exist

Theist's answer: Only God knows.

Probably a very dumb person theist would answer this way. 

The question that I have for you Augusto is: -

"Is being real dumb only limited to theists or do other people like atheists also exhibit this same disposition."

WHY IS BEING DUMB/IGNORANT SUCH A PUT DOWN IN A FALSE ARGUMENT?

What the theist was responding with was, I do not know the answers to your questions, only God knows all of the answers to your question.

At least he was being honest with his short hand response.

Are you that honesty about yourself.

[Augusto]

Yeah, sure I am.

Thanks a lot for the clsrifications, I'll complete the study of those subjects by myself. Just one problem: question number two. I meant waterfalls, creeks that originate from within mountains... or so I think. If you know the answer to that one, please tell me.

+1

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

You mean a river source?

[Augusto]

Yes. I see mountains with little river sources and I don't understand it because gravity should just put all the water in one place. The rain, I get it, but rivers flow by gravity, so how come they're born in mountains? How does water get there in the first place?

Just google "Salto Angel" and you'll see what l mean.

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

Salto Angel is part of Rio Kerepacupai Meru, which is formed by runoff from rainfall on the plateau of Ayan Tepui.

Rivers form on mountains because when you put water up very high and then let gravity take its course, the water starts flowing and flowing water makes rivers and streams.

[Augusto]

I am still not satisfied. You mean this is always the case? Rivers form from rain? And during summer? There are lots of mountains in the region I live, and I usually see little waterfalls. I kind of asumed there was something more, like mountains naturally sucking water from the depts of the earth or something. So, it's just RAIN...!? Personally, and regardless of how dumb I may look, I find it too hard to believe.

[GratefulApe]

Job 38-41New American Standard Bible (NASB)

God Speaks Now to Job
38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,

2 ?Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3 ?Now gird up your loins like a man,
And I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
4 ?Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding,
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know.
Or who stretched the line on it?
6 ?On what were its bases sunk?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 ?Or who enclosed the sea with doors
When, bursting forth, it went out from the womb;
9 When I made a cloud its garment
And thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 And I placed boundaries on it
And set a bolt and doors,
11 And I said, ?Thus far you shall come, but no farther;
And here shall your proud waves stop??
God?s Mighty Power
12 ?Have you ever in your life commanded the morning,
And caused the dawn to know its place,
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 ?It is changed like clay under the seal;
And they stand forth like a garment.
15 ?From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the uplifted arm is broken.
16 ?Have you entered into the springs of the sea
Or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 ?Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
Or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 ?Have you understood the expanse of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.
19 ?Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you may take it to its territory
And that you may discern the paths to its home?
21 ?You know, for you were born then,
And the number of your days is great!
22 ?Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
Or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved for the time of distress,
For the day of war and battle?
24 ?Where is the way that the light is divided,
Or the east wind scattered on the earth?
25 ?Who has cleft a channel for the flood,
Or a way for the thunderbolt,
26 To bring rain on a land without people,
On a desert without a man in it,
27 To satisfy the waste and desolate land
And to make the seeds of grass to sprout?
28 ?Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 ?From whose womb has come the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who has given it birth?
30 ?Water becomes hard like stone,
And the surface of the deep is imprisoned.
31 ?Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades,
Or loose the cords of Orion?
32 ?Can you lead forth a constellation in its season,
And guide the Bear with her satellites?
33 ?Do you know the ordinances of the heavens,
Or fix their rule over the earth?
34 ?Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
So that an abundance of water will cover you?
35 ?Can you send forth lightnings that they may go
And say to you, ?Here we are??
36 ?Who has put wisdom in the innermost being
Or given understanding to the mind?
37 ?Who can count the clouds by wisdom,
Or tip the water jars of the heavens,
38 When the dust hardens into a mass
And the clods stick together?
39 ?Can you hunt the prey for the lion,
Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions,
40 When they crouch in their dens
And lie in wait in their lair?
41 ?Who prepares for the raven its nourishment
When its young cry to God
And wander about without food?
God Speaks of Nature and Its Beings
39 ?Do you know the time the mountain goats give birth?
Do you observe the calving of the deer?
2 ?Can you count the months they fulfill,
Or do you know the time they give birth?
3 ?They kneel down, they bring forth their young,
They get rid of their labor pains.
4 ?Their offspring become strong, they grow up in the open field;
They leave and do not return to them.
5 ?Who sent out the wild donkey free?
And who loosed the bonds of the swift donkey,
6 To whom I gave the wilderness for a home
And the salt land for his dwelling place?
7 ?He scorns the tumult of the city,
The shoutings of the driver he does not hear.
8 ?He explores the mountains for his pasture
And searches after every green thing.
9 ?Will the wild ox consent to serve you,
Or will he spend the night at your manger?
10 ?Can you bind the wild ox in a furrow with ropes,
Or will he harrow the valleys after you?
11 ?Will you trust him because his strength is great
And leave your labor to him?
12 ?Will you have faith in him that he will return your grain
And gather it from your threshing floor?
13 ?The ostriches? wings flap joyously
With the pinion and plumage of love,
14 For she abandons her eggs to the earth
And warms them in the dust,
15 And she forgets that a foot may crush them,
Or that a wild beast may trample them.
16 ?She treats her young cruelly, as if they were not hers;
Though her labor be in vain, she is unconcerned;
17 Because God has made her forget wisdom,
And has not given her a share of understanding.
18 ?When she lifts herself on high,
She laughs at the horse and his rider.
19 ?Do you give the horse his might?
Do you clothe his neck with a mane?
20 ?Do you make him leap like the locust?
His majestic snorting is terrible.
21 ?He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength;
He goes out to meet the weapons.
22 ?He laughs at fear and is not dismayed;
And he does not turn back from the sword.
23 ?The quiver rattles against him,
The flashing spear and javelin.
24 ?With shaking and rage he races over the ground,
And he does not stand still at the voice of the trumpet.
25 ?As often as the trumpet sounds he says, ?Aha!?
And he scents the battle from afar,
And the thunder of the captains and the war cry.
26 ?Is it by your understanding that the hawk soars,
Stretching his wings toward the south?
27 ?Is it at your command that the eagle mounts up
And makes his nest on high?
28 ?On the cliff he dwells and lodges,
Upon the rocky crag, an inaccessible place.
29 ?From there he spies out food;
His eyes see it from afar.
30 ?His young ones also suck up blood;
And where the slain are, there is he.?

Job: What Can I Say?
40 Then the Lord said to Job,

2 ?Will the faultfinder contend with the Almighty?
Let him who reproves God answer it.?


3 Then Job answered the Lord and said,

4 ?Behold, I am insignificant; what can I reply to You?
I lay my hand on my mouth.
5 ?Once I have spoken, and I will not answer;
Even twice, and I will add nothing more.?

[Augusto]

Those are very nice chapters. Thanks for sharing!

[wabbit111]

   Origin of the Angel's falls water
by: Arnaldo Z.

The right answer is: RAIN WATER.
The Auyan-tepui, whose height ranges from 1600 to 2450 meters and its top surface area is 650 sq km about, contains a large number of sandstone cracks, forming a very huge reservoir whose capacity can be measured in millions of cubic meters, into which rain water is collected. Angel Falls originate at 979 meters, that is much below the minimum height of the tepui. The falls flow reaches its minimum when the dry season ends, because the volume and the pressure of the water in the reservoir have diminished a lot. Nevertheless, the flow is never interrupted.


http://www.world-of-waterfalls.com/where-does-angels-falls-water-come-from.html

[Augusto]

I guess reality is more incredible than fiction.

[Tom]

Augusto

Yes I did give you a very short explanation.  When air expands, it requires energy, so the water vapour in the air gives its latent heat of evaporation to the air by forming water droplets.  That is why in a compressed air system, after every regulator to drop the compressed air pressure to suit the application a water separator is installed to keep the air dry.

When you release compressed air through a nozzle the resulting air flow from the nozzle always feels "cold" as the released compressed air absorbs the energy it needs to expand from the surrounding environment.  This can result in the formation of water droplets.

[eyeshaveit]

As wabbit explained, rivers (and waterfalls) are a function of groundwater levels.

[Tom]

As wabbit explained, rivers (and waterfalls) are a function of groundwater levels.

Wabbit's explanation as I understood what he wrote was specific to one particular waterfall.  A river's source can be because of a spring where the water coming out of the spring can be from rain that occurred many years in the past and is just starting to seep out of the spring now.

Oh well so sorry that you cannot get your laughing matter around the physic of the processes involved. 

[eyeshaveit]

Tom,

Springs are a function of groundwater.
Groundwater is accumulated rain that fell sometime in the past.
Creeks, streams, rivers and waterfalls are a function of groundwater.
Flooding, in slot canyons, gullies and wadis, etc. is a function of falling rain.

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

I am still not satisfied. You mean this is always the case?

No, I mean it is the case with the one specific example you mentioned.  Sources of rivers can also include springs and melting snow/ice/glaciers.

Rivers form from rain? And during summer?

Yes, many rivers form from rain.  During dry seasons, they tend to be lower (or in some cases dry up), and then get higher during rainy seasons.

There are lots of mountains in the region I live, and I usually see little waterfalls. I kind of asumed there was something more, like mountains naturally sucking water from the depts of the earth or something. So, it's just RAIN...!?

Dude, you live in the tropics.

[Augusto]

Yeah, but you won't deny it is kind of hard to swallow a huge river is nothing but the result of rain. Thanks anyway. I didn't know.

[Tom]

Tom,

Springs are a function of groundwater.
Groundwater is accumulated rain that fell sometime in the past.
Creeks, streams, rivers and waterfalls are a function of groundwater.
Flooding, in slot canyons, gullies and wadis, etc. is a function of falling rain.

eyeshaveit

I si os yllis ton ot dnatsrednu taht tahw I etorw si ralimis ot tahw uoy etorw.

[eyeshaveit]

"Where does the water in a stream come from during a drought or when it has not rained recently? Base flow is the technical name for the dry weather flow in a stream or river. River base flow results from ground water seeping into riverbanks or the riverbed. The flow may be significant enough to allow the stream to flow year round (i.e., perennial or permanent stream). Without base flow recharge from ground water to streams and rivers, many would not carry a flow of water except during storms. Streams that flow only periodically in response to rainstorms or seasonal snowmelt events are known as ephemeral or intermittent streams. On average, 40 percent of all flow in United States rivers and streams originates as ground water. Trout streams that flow year round with cool clear water virtually all result from constant input from ground water.

"Water flowing into a stream from ground water is called a ?gaining stream? and this is the most common occurrence. However, there are also ?losing streams? that ?leak water from their channel into the ground beneath. Losing streams are common in dry environments where ground water may flow in a stream only during the ?rainy season? of the year. In a gaining stream, the ground water level is higher than the water level in the channel. In a losing stream, the ground water is below stream level."

American Groundwater Trust - https://agwt.org/

[Teaspoon Shallow]

Yeah, but you won't deny it is kind of hard to swallow a huge river is nothing but the result of rain. Thanks anyway. I didn't know.

Theist and nontheist are all ignorant about some (most) things.  An additional problem occurs when anyone claims to have knowledge of things they don't.   Their confidence leads to arrogance and failing to look for the actual answers.

[Augusto]

Well, l am always interested in actual answers.

[Teaspoon Shallow]

Well, l am always interested in actual answers.

There are a lot of things we will never know in our lifetime mate.   Here's to the little we do know. 

[Augusto]