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Started by Augusto, July 05, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
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Quote1. There are hereditary diseases.
Quote2. There is canibalism among non-human species and it's a behavior well atested in humans through many cultures.
Quote from: Kiahanie on July 05, 2022, 10:22:16 PMThe major mental condition affecting the LGBTQ+ community is the mental condition that causes so many people to think "normal" means exclusionary.
Quote from: Augusto on July 06, 2022, 12:11:55 AMOff topic, uncalled virtue signalling. Yes, I remember you. Helli.••••
Quote from: Shnozzola on July 06, 2022, 01:06:15 AMSo it seems Kinney is saying homosexuality may indeed be a mental disorder. My niece had problems at birth from my sister's hypoglycemic pregnancy. She overcame things with surgeries, but in college she had a sudden wild schizophrenic episode that has necessitated medicine since. Johns Hopkins has helped all along with her problems, wondering if this brain "malfunction" is an unresearched symptom of my sister's gestational problem.So medicine has basically kept her from suicide, due to the wild schizophrenia and then depression. Let's say homosexuality IS a mental disorder. What would be the reason(s) to prevent it with medicine? Is the suicide rate with homosexuality due to family/societal rejection, or possibly mental problems that then should be cured?I also just had a conversation with 2 conservative religious folks about a family member that has come out, and how they've tried all sorts of things with the individual (minister, psychiatric help, a state trooper-good-talking-to, etc), because, in these folk's minds, this homosexuality is just unacceptable. I still don't think we can underestimate the harm that view does to a homosexual family member, even if the problem is ONLY a mental one. Thinking there must also be a large amount of data showing it isn't a mental problem. Sort of like the group of scientists that claim humanity is not at all responsible for climate change, while a large part of the scientific community views data that says it is.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4545255/https://www.science.org/content/article/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dnahttps://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02312-0Maybe Mooby will notice this thread and offer a physician's medical view.
Quote from: Shnozzola on July 06, 2022, 02:00:19 AM+1 for this:In other words, if homosexuality was accepted by the community, then most likely there will be no issue and the person can live normal lives.I agree.
Quote from: Shnozzola on July 06, 2022, 02:14:13 AMAlso, it seems Robert Kinney certainly brings along his philosophy. (I was hoping his bio listed him as a lifelong atheist that is just questioning, but no...)
Quote from: Augusto on July 06, 2022, 02:37:55 AM8livesleft:Why don't you go ahead and read the paper? You seem interested in the topic...Psychopaths do not suffer distress. They can also be socially functional and a lot of them never kill people. The criteria to classify mental disorders is being questioned in the paper as well.TO CONSIDER: Due to the overwhelming ammount of propaganda, couldn't it be the case that some/most/all? of you are already conditioned to question something that challenges the stablished view? It seems more likely, considering that so far there is like zero interest in reading the article while at the same time efforts are being made to dismiss it. I don't know if some of you have some kind of formation, but this is an unethical approach. This is not how truth is being found. This is how it gets buried. Still, if this was the case, a disease is being spread... to children. So...As for transexuals, it looks like the suicidal rates actually INCREASE after surgery.
QuoteAs for the author, I don't know wether he has some agenda or not
Quote from: 8livesleft on July 06, 2022, 02:52:32 AMI disagree with the author's premise.
Quote from: 8livesleft on July 06, 2022, 02:52:32 AMHe cites cannibalism, for example, which is a learned behavior. Nobody is born with a tendency to cannibalize under normal circumstances.
Quote from: 8livesleft on July 06, 2022, 02:52:32 AMYou cite psychopathology and indeed, there are cases where it doesn't cause any harm so there is no issue to discuss here.
Quote from: 8livesleft on July 06, 2022, 02:52:32 AMAnd regarding the "established view," homosexuality was once considered both a disease/disorder/sin and is still considered as such in more traditional cultures, so how is it that we're the one's who are dismissing modern thought when in fact you appear to be the only one doing so.
Quote from: Augusto on July 06, 2022, 12:11:55 AMI wonder if the replies I've got so far are representative of what I can hope to get. Is there anyone here willing to read, then think, then make an educated post without displaying fear, hate or ego while doing so?
Quote from: 8livesleft on July 06, 2022, 01:57:50 AM••••In other words, if homosexuality was accepted by the community, then most likely there will be no issue and the person can live a normal life. ••••
QuoteAnd that's why you won't read the reasoning he offers to justify it?
QuoteCannibalism does not occur only as a result of extreme food shortage or of artificial/unnatural conditions, but may also occur under natural conditions in a variety of species.
QuoteThat example alone breaks apart the whole criteria used for mental conditions.
QuoteI did not say what you say I did. If this is becoming personal for you, and you feel a compulsory desire to spamm whatever comes to your mind, just to silence what is perceived as an unconfortable argument, perhaps you should take a break from this. I said it is more likely that most people here are already convinced/brainwashed by neverending woke propaganda
QuoteIf this is the case, you have absorbed a dogma.
Quote from: Shnozzola on July 06, 2022, 01:04:39 PM^^^ good unbiased science for open minded people. I liked the article, so I gave you a "like" for linking it, even though it seems Augusto is against likes as pointless. Thanks 8. (Edit: it's interesting, searching for research, how many links are from religious sites. You can see why culturally, homophobia is hard to move on from)
Quote from: Augusto on July 06, 2022, 03:14:42 AM••••Oh well, I guess I am going to stay away from this discussion for a little while. I will come back later and see if there is anything worth reading.••••
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