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Started by Jstwebbrowsing, December 24, 2017, 10:46:15 PM

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The Bible?s answer

The Bible does not give a specific date for the birth of Jesus Christ, as these reference works show:

?The true birth date of Christ is unknown.??New Catholic Encyclopedia.
?The exact date of Christ?s birth is not known.??Encyclopedia of Early Christianity.

While the Bible does not directly answer the question, ?When was Jesus born?? it does describe two events surrounding his birth that lead many to conclude that he was not born on December 25.

Not in winter

The registration. Shortly before Jesus was born, Caesar Augustus issued a decree ordering ?all the inhabited earth to be registered.? Everyone had to register in ?his own city,? which might have required a journey of a week or more. (Luke 2:1-3) That order?probably made to support taxation and military conscription?would have been unpopular at any time of year, but it is unlikely that Augustus would have provoked his subjects further by forcing many of them to make long trips during the cold winter.

The sheep. Shepherds were ?living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks.? (Luke 2:8) The book Daily Life in the Time of Jesus notes that flocks lived in the open air from ?the week before the Passover [late March]? through mid-November. It then adds: ?They passed the winter under cover; and from this alone it may be seen that the traditional date for Christmas, in the winter, is unlikely to be right, since the Gospel says that the shepherds were in the fields.?

In early fall

We can estimate when Jesus was born by counting backward from his death on Passover, Nisan 14 in the spring of the year 33 C.E. (John 19:14-16) Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his three-and-a-half-year ministry, so he was born in the early fall of 2 B.C.E.?Luke 3:23.

Why is Christmas on December 25?

Since there is no evidence that the birth of Jesus Christ occurred on December 25, why is Christmas celebrated on this date? The Encyclop?dia Britannica says that church leaders probably chose it ?to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the ?birthday of the unconquered sun,?? at the time of the winter solstice. According to The Encyclopedia Americana, many scholars believe that this was done ?in order to make Christianity more meaningful to pagan converts.?

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/when-was-jesus-born/
But the greatest one among you must be your minister.  Whoever exalts himself will be humbled,
and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Mt 23:11,12


Jstwebbrowsing

Quote from: none on December 24, 2017, 11:07:00 PM
https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/census.htm

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There is no record of Caesar Augustus' decree that "all the world should be enrolled" (Lk. 2:1).  The Romans kept extremely detailed records of such events.  Not only is Luke's census not in these records, it goes against all that we know of Roman economic history.
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That's one man's opinion.

QuoteQuirinius . . . governor of Syria: Publius Sulpicius Quirinius, a distinguished Roman senator, is mentioned only once in the Bible. Scholars initially claimed that Quirinius served only one term of governorship over the Roman province of Syria in about 6 C.E., during which a rebellion broke out in response to a census. As a result, they attacked this passage and cast doubt on Luke?s account by reasoning that Quirinius was governor in 6 or 7 C.E., whereas Jesus? birth was earlier. However, in 1764 an inscription was found that strongly suggests that Quirinius served as governor (or, legate) in Syria for two distinct terms. Other inscriptions too have led some historians to acknowledge that Quirinius served a term as governor of Syria earlier, in the B.C.E. period. It was evidently during this term that the first registration, mentioned in this verse, took place.

Furthermore, the critics? reasoning ignores three key facts. First, Luke acknowledges that there was more than one census, calling this the ?first registration.? He was evidently aware of a later registration, which occurred about 6 C.E. That registration was mentioned by Luke in the book of Acts (5:37) and by Josephus. Second, Bible chronology rules out the possibility that Jesus was born during Quirinius? second term. However, it does harmonize with Jesus? being born during Quirinius? first term, which was somewhere between the years 4 and 1 B.C.E. Third, Luke is well-known as a meticulous historian, one who lived in the era of many of the events he described. (Lu 1:3) In addition, he was inspired by holy spirit.?2Ti 3:16.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001070646
But the greatest one among you must be your minister.  Whoever exalts himself will be humbled,
and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Mt 23:11,12

none

how long after I type amen do I get the money?
I'm lost, if you see me you are lost also
If Jesus believed in himself he wouldn't have been Jewish.

Inertialmass

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Quote from: Jstwebbrowsing on December 24, 2017, 10:46:15 PM
...The Encyclop?dia Britannica says that church leaders probably chose it ?to coincide with the pagan Roman festival marking the ?birthday of the unconquered sun,?? at the time of the winter solstice. According to The Encyclopedia Americana, many scholars believe that this was done ?in order to make Christianity more meaningful to pagan converts.?

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/when-was-jesus-born/

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Edit:  I just noticed this was in "Scripture Study" where all comment presupposes the Supernatural.  I believe extragalactic neutrinos, spacetime manifolds and the cosmic microwave background are all pretty darn ghostly, but that probly doesn't count here.  My bad.

   
God and religion are not conveyances of Truth or Comfort.  They function as instruments of earthly social control.

Dexter

"Here is no water but only rock
Rock and no water and the sandy road"
― T.S. Eliot, The Waste Land