Question about the Penalty Log and Corner.

[Gnu Ordure]

In the Forum Updates section, there's this announcement from AK (my bold):

Hi all, a record of all member rules breaks occurring during the last 60 days can be viewed here:

http://isgodimaginary.com/forum/index.php/topic,11493.0.html

That record is automatically updated every hour and represents a subset of the private moderator logs maintained manually in the hidden staff area.

If your member name is mentioned on that page 2 (or more) times then you will be restricted to the corner when you next break one of our rules.

That seems to imply that lots of people would be spending time in the corner for say, Etiquette violations. In fact, shouldn't I be the Corner now, since I've got six on there, so surely the third one should have triggered the Corner clause?

And looking at the Corner thread, I can't see people being there for this reason.

Since AK's post is from 2008, I'm wondering whether the info it contains has been superceded?

Gnu.

PS Also, is the log really updated every hour?

[JustMyron]

Yes, that text is out of date.

Rule breaches get you in the corner, but etiquette breaches don't - but we still log etiquette breaches, because it helps us keep track of our precedents internally, and it also gives people a good indication of whether people have been naughty, even if they don't get cornered for them.

The penalty log is now automatically updated every 10 minutes or so.

[FGOH]

An etiquette breach can turn into a rule breach if the editing request is not complied with. Any member who does not edit as requested will get a further PM telling them that they have now breached a rule (rule 4) and whether it is the first, second or whatever within the last 60 days.

[Maggie the Opinionated]

Now I am confused. I have read a lot about deleting off-topic posts but I was specifically told that I didn't need to edit my post that got dinged for trolling. Why the difference?

[JustMyron]

Up to 2 posts can be found guilty of being off topic and counter-productive to the positive exchange of ideas related to a thread topic (the trolling rule, paraphrased) without it being a technical violation of the trolling rule. Once you get to 3 or more, an etiquette breach gets logged and you have to edit all of them.

We have recently started telling people when they get 1 or 2 posts found guilty of trolling, because we think this enables them to not ever reach three, which means they don't have to edit what they've posted. Less hassle for us, and them. Win-win.

[Jay]

JM,
Since we are on the topic of the member penalty log, I actually have a question.

Is this statement still true?

"A post containing multiple Rule breaks will be deemed as one single Rule break."
http://isgodimaginary.com/forum/index.php/topic,7981.0.html

[JustMyron]

Yes, that's still true.

[Jay]

Yes, that's still true.

K.  So if I got infracted twice on one post(E1a and E1b), and it is listed as two separate lines in the member penalty log....is that a mistake?

[JustMyron]

I have just been messaged by a moderator informing me that I might have that wrong. Please stand by...

[JadedPulse]

I might have that wrong. Please stand by...

*the world ends*

[Little Boat]

Hope this isn't too off-topic!

I have a couple of very basic questions which clearly reveal my utter 'noobiness'. 

1) What is the purpose of the green dot that appears on some members avatars?
2) How is the dark art of smiting carried out.  Is it the same as awarding + or - karma?

Thanks
LB

[Jay]

Hope this isn't too off-topic!

I have a couple of very basic questions which clearly reveal my utter 'noobiness'. 

1) What is the purpose of the green dot that appears on some members avatars?
2) How is the dark art of smiting carried out.  Is it the same as awarding + or - karma?

Thanks
LB

1.  It means the member is online.
2.  Yes.  Smiting is negative karma.

Once you went over 25 posts, the ability to apply karma should have been enabled for you under a members avatar.

[JadedPulse]

1) What is the purpose of the green dot that appears on some members avatars?

That tells you if that person is currently online or not.

2) How is the dark art of smiting carried out.  Is it the same as awarding + or - karma?

Yep, smiting is giving someone negative karma--you can do so by clicking the "smite" button underneath that persons karma.



*edit* Dammit, Jay!!! 

[Jay]

*edit* Dammit, Jay!!! 

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

Yes, that's still true.

K.  So if I got infracted twice on one post(E1a and E1b), and it is listed as two separate lines in the member penalty log....is that a mistake?

It's one rule break for the purposes of Corner sentencing.

[Jay]

Yes, that's still true.

K.  So if I got infracted twice on one post(E1a and E1b), and it is listed as two separate lines in the member penalty log....is that a mistake?

It's one rule break for the purposes of Corner sentencing.

Okay.  So you can still be infracted upon more than once per post, but if say....I didn't edit either of the things I was asked to edit in that post, I would only get 1 rule violation in regards to corner time? 

And to be honest, I wasnt trying to stir the pot.  I originally thought that the wording expressed in the link was old verbiage, and needed to be updated.  But now I am just confused.

[Tish]

Yes, that's still true.

K.  So if I got infracted twice on one post(E1a and E1b), and it is listed as two separate lines in the member penalty log....is that a mistake?

It's one rule break for the purposes of Corner sentencing.

Okay.  So you can still be infracted upon more than once per post, but if say....I didn't edit either of the things I was asked to edit in that post, I would only get 1 rule violation in regards to corner time? 

And to be honest, I wasnt trying to stir the pot.  I originally thought that the wording expressed in the link was old verbiage, and needed to be updated.  But now I am just confused.

Failure to edit a post is one Rule break for the one action - the failure to edit.

[Jay]

Yes, that's still true.

K.  So if I got infracted twice on one post(E1a and E1b), and it is listed as two separate lines in the member penalty log....is that a mistake?

It's one rule break for the purposes of Corner sentencing.

Okay.  So you can still be infracted upon more than once per post, but if say....I didn't edit either of the things I was asked to edit in that post, I would only get 1 rule violation in regards to corner time? 

And to be honest, I wasnt trying to stir the pot.  I originally thought that the wording expressed in the link was old verbiage, and needed to be updated.  But now I am just confused.

Failure to edit a post is one Rule break for the one action - the failure to edit.

So....for clarity. So I understand it.  Call me thick headed if you wish.(I know you will anyways    )

I was asked to edit two things in one post.  One was based on E1a and one was based on E1b.

Whether I edited only one of the things in that post or whether I edited none of the things in that post, I would still only receive 1 Rule 4 violation.  Not 2 rule 4 violations. 

Correct?

If I am not correct than either I am really really really confused, or the verbiage on the link I provided needs to be updated.

[Tish]

So....for clarity. So I understand it.  Call me thick headed if you wish.(I know you will anyways    )

I was asked to edit two things in one post.  One was based on E1a and one was based on E1b.

Whether I edited only one of the things in that post or whether I edited none of the things in that post, I would still only receive 1 Rule 4 violation.  Not 2 rule 4 violations. 

Correct?

If I am not correct than either I am really really really confused, or the verbiage on the link I provided needs to be updated.

*calls*   

Yes, if the post is not edited, either partly or fully, and you haven't been given an extension of time to make further edits, that counts as one single Rule #4 breach, no matter how many different Etiquette breaches were in the post.

[Jay]

Thank you.  +1

You have cleared it up for me.   

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

The way I think of it is that after 24 hours, your post has to be completely rules/etiquette compliant.  If it's not, then we edit it once and ding you once.

[Little Boat]

Hope this isn't too off-topic!

I have a couple of very basic questions which clearly reveal my utter 'noobiness'. 

1) What is the purpose of the green dot that appears on some members avatars?
2) How is the dark art of smiting carried out.  Is it the same as awarding + or - karma?

Thanks
LB

1.  It means the member is online.
2.  Yes.  Smiting is negative karma.

Once you went over 25 posts, the ability to apply karma should have been enabled for you under a members avatar.

Only recently discovered that the iPad App for this forum does not contain smite applaud buttons...have switched to safari browser :)

[Jay]

A quick question on the member penalty log.

I noticed this listed in it.

"2012-02-13      Steveox - Corner time"

Is that just to track the fact that Steve was placed in the corner, or is being in the corner now an actual 'penalty'  or.....is it for something else.

Just wondering.   

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

It was the actual penalty, I'm not quite sure why Nate didn't just label it Rule 4.

[Jay]

It was the actual penalty, I'm not quite sure why Nate didn't just label it Rule 4.

Ah.  Okay.  Thanks for the answer.  +1

I had never seen that before, and was just curious.

[ak.yonathan]

I have to admit I didn't really read the rules when first joining this forum. I guess I was lucky not to have incurred any penalties.

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[Kiahanie]

I'd say it was more than luck, yonathan. You seem to be a pretty civil guy. +1

[Kusa]

What happened to Gnu?

[Teaspoon Shallow]

What happened to Gnu?

He left the forum.  He is OK but does not want to participate anymore.

[Kusa]

What happened to Gnu?

He left the forum.  He is OK but does not want to participate anymore.

That's terrible. We need to reach out to lost members and encourage them to come back.