Clarification on the Mental Illness Precedent

[acctnt_shan]

Isn't that what this whole thread stems from?  A Rule #6 violation, clearly...

[rickymooston]

And if it doesn't, then what?

IMO, in that case, it shouldn't be an insult IMO but that's just me and its against precedent. Calling a Nazi a Nazi was originally considered an insult.

[acctnt_shan]

IMO, in that case, it shouldn't be an insult IMO but that's just me and its against precedent. Calling a Nazi a Nazi was originally considered an insult.

LOL what the hell does that have to do with it?  Saying that you have ADHD wouldn't be an insult under this precedent either.

It's when you start throwing out labels when you have no idea of their truth or not that it starts to become a problem.  Using what is a very real mental condition to some as an insult to others is rude to the person you're saying about and disrespectful towards people who suffer with the illness.

[rickymooston]

LOL what the hell does that have to do with it?  Saying that you have ADHD wouldn't be an insult under this precedent either.

Actually previously, it was an insult to call a self admitted Nazi a Nazi.

I don't think, given that I've repeatedly mentioned that I have ADHD, that it should be an insult. Likewise, I don't think saying Ony is gay should be considered being an insult. If somebody presented themselves as a member of the Nazi party, then clearly, in context, calling them a Nazi shouldn't be an insult.

It's when you start throwing out labels when you have no idea of their truth or not that it starts to become a problem.  Using what is a very real mental condition to some as an insult to others is rude to the person you're saying about and disrespectful towards people who suffer with the illness.

We are obviously in total agreement as to what the rules should be.

Sadly, I don't think that is what the rules actually are.

[acctnt_shan]

I don't think, given that I've repeatedly mentioned that I have ADHD, that it should be an insult. Likewise, I don't think saying Ony is gay should be considered being an insult. If somebody presented themselves as a member of the Nazi party, then clearly, in context, calling them a Nazi shouldn't be an insult.

And it isn't... which is precisely what I said.   

We are obviously in total agreement as to what the rules should be.

Sadly, I don't think that is what the rules actually are.

Is that not what it was just changed to?  I'm not sure you're understanding the new precedent.

[Captain Luke]

Actually previously, it was an insult to call a self admitted Nazi a Nazi.

I don't think, given that I've repeatedly mentioned that I have ADHD, that it should be an insult. Likewise, I don't think saying Ony is gay should be considered being an insult. If somebody presented themselves as a member of the Nazi party, then clearly, in context, calling them a Nazi shouldn't be an insult.
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Sadly, I don't think that is what the rules actually are.

Now this is just my understanding of the new precedent, but I think that of the following:
a) Ricky, how does your ADD manifest itself?
b) Ricky, stop making ridiculous ADD posts
c) Ricky has ADD.
I would find find "b" guilty of rule#6, but not "a" or "c".

As someone who has declared his ADD to all and sundry, you can't (and wouldn't) complain that other people bring it up, unless they do so in a way that is derogatory.

[rickymooston]

Is that not what it was just changed to?  I'm not sure you're understanding the new precedent.

Apparently, based on Luke's reply above, that is true. My understanding of the new precedent was perhaps tainted too much by my experience with the old precedent as it was applied to similar labels such as Nazism.

Now this is just my understanding of the new precedent, but I think that of the following:
a) Ricky, how does your ADD manifest itself?
b) Ricky, stop making ridiculous ADD posts
c) Ricky has ADD.
I would find find "b" guilty of rule#6, but not "a" or "c".

[Jay]

Ricky,
I just want to clear something up.


Do you have ADHD?

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

If I ask Ricky if he has ADHD, would I be breaking rule #6?

As someone who used to do reports, you should already know that one of us could "guess" that it'd be ok, only to have us discuss it and decide "guilty" when it's actually reported.  Asking hypothetical questions until you find the one that you think will work is nowhere near a fool-proof way of finding loopholes.

If that post was reported, it'd likely come down to whether we felt "ADHD" was a derogatory term in that context.  And we can't know how that will turn out until we see it in that context and have the discussion.  With your luck, you'll ask something, have one mod tell you (s)he'd vote Not Guilty, post it all over the forum, and have Guilty win in a 3-1 vote.

Plus also, what motivation do we have to help you find loopholes?  That just means you'll intentionally make a bunch of borderline posts, they'll get reported, we'll have to deal with the reports, and we'll have to deal with the inevitable protest from you if Guilty or the people who reported you if Not Guilty.  Who, other than maybe ZZ, would knowingly set themselves up for that?

[rickymooston]

Do you have ADHD?

Yes.  To be specific, I have the inattention form and don't display hyperactivity.

[Jay]

Do you have ADHD?

Yes.  To be specific, I have the inattention form and don't display hyperactivity.

Thank you.  I was just wondering.

[nateswift]

Being a person who is on Social Security Disability Income due to various mental illness diagnoses I thought it would be in everybody's interest for my input.

PTSD NOS, clinical depression, panic/anxiety and mood disorders. I have a s**t load of experience from which to comment.

I don't know what to say except that I am glad that someone besides me brought this up 'cause I don't wanna sound like a whiner. I am fairly neutral on the subject I guess because I have come to accept my disability as a part of who I am and am not ashamed but instead I just wish I didn't have to deal with this.

As how the subject of mental illness pertains to the forum sometimes I am divided on how to take the comments. Sometimes it bothers me sometimes it seems to apply  (depends on my mood). But lately I have seen the mental illness subject surface more than usual. That bothers me. It bothers the person for whom the comment is meant. Mental illness is not an insult it is a diagnosis so don't use it as an insult.

Wow!  I hafta wonder how much if any those diagnoses contribute to your engaging personality.

[rickymooston]

I was just wondering.

O.k. Now that you know about the label, what does it buy you?

I'm still curious to see where you feel you disagree with this odd moose character. By implying that you agreed with Ricky this time in another post, you were indicating that you usually disagree with my moosiness.

I'm rather curious if we truly disagree on something or if we simply express similar points of view in separate ways.

Some of my best and worst characteristics are in my opinion partially related to my ADD based tendencies but well, that's only part of my personality.

[David M]

   This is just great.  Now, half the people on IGI aren't going to be able to talk to me at all! 

[Jezzebelle]

 Who, other than maybe ZZ, would knowingly set themselves up for that?

wait wut? 

[rickymooston]

 Who, other than maybe ZZ, would knowingly set themselves up for that?

wait wut? 

I think mooby was using a loop hole to insult you.

[SkunkButt]

The reality of it is that there is nobody on this forum or elsewhere who is capable of making a diagnosis through using the forum. Most of what I see problematic is people who are overwhelmed by their emotions and not due to any mental illness.

So when the topic of mental illness is brought up ask yourself if it is pertinent to the discussion---99.99% of the time the mental illness issue is not present. There have been a few times where I have had to back off or slack off because my problems were interfering but for the most part I think I do pretty well considering.

Ricky pointed out and I agree that the boldened statement is excessive optimism on my part. It sometimes takes a Canadian to point this out.

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

I think mooby was using a loop hole to insult you.

I think your attempt at Captain Obvious just failed miserably.  I also think that ZZ did not absolutely need Captain Obvious in the first place.

[Jezzebelle]

I think mooby was using a loop hole to insult you.

I think your attempt at Captain Obvious just failed miserably.  I also think that ZZ did not absolutely need Captain Obvious in the first place.

[rickymooston]

I think mooby was using a loop hole to insult you.

I think your attempt at Captain Obvious just failed miserably.  I also think that ZZ did not absolutely need Captain Obvious in the first place.

Now you are loopholing Luke?

[Jay]

I was just wondering.

O.k. Now that you know about the label, what does it buy you?

I'm still curious to see where you feel you disagree with this odd moose character. By implying that you agreed with Ricky this time in another post, you were indicating that you usually disagree with my moosiness.

I'm rather curious if we truly disagree on something or if we simply express similar points of view in separate ways.

Damn Ricky

**sigh**

Are you going to harp on that one comment forever?

[rickymooston]

Are you going to harp on that one comment forever?

Possibly. 

[Mooby the Golden Sock]

Now you are loopholing Luke?

No, I'm saying that if I labeled you according to your comments in this thread, it would be an insult to all but the small section of a certain bell curve to which that term technically applies.

This is my first loop hole in the thread.  All other "loop holes" you think you found are just a sign that you should take an exam that may have some implications for the above paragraph.

[rickymooston]

Now you are loopholing Luke?

No, I'm saying that if I labeled you according to your comments in this thread, it would be an insult to all but the small section of a certain bell curve to which that term technically applies.

This is my first loop hole in the thread.  All other "loop holes" you think you found are just a sign that you should take an exam that may have some implications for the above paragraph.

Hahaha, you are good. .