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Started by rickymooston, September 24, 2008, 11:44:37 AM

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Do you want to contribute to, participate in, or simply spectate in a Private "Experiments" Board?

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No thanks.
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Total Members Voted: 22

rickymooston

"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute

Assyriankey

10 yes votes so far, and 10 people in this thread who put their hand up, so all present and accounted for, SIR!

Ignoring composer and wilson is key to understanding the ontological unity of the material world.

Traveler

Yeah, it was me who forgot to vote and your reminder got me up there.  ||hammerhead||
If we ever travel thousands of light years to a planet inhabited by intelligent life, let's just make patterns in their crops and leave.

Son of Man

What I don't get is why an entire board needs to be tied to this.  I'm all for the experiments, but we already have a boards where they could go.  If we were going to add a board, it should be for something that would actually be made use of. 

Subjects that do not have their own boards that would be made far more use of than than a paranormal experiments board include Music, TV, Hobbies, Sports, Movies, Videos, or boards dedicated to Paganism, Christianity, Islam, etc.

There are 5 experiments proposed so far.  That's five threads, when we have boards that contain dozens to hundreds of threads.  Why is this one topic so deserving of its own board when there are so many other topics, topics that would be far more popular, that don't have their own dedicated boards? 

If we started a Pink Floyd board for Assy, it would probably be used much more often than the paranormal experiment board.  If a board is added, it should be one that is more useful than any other idea that anyone could come up with.  A paranormal experiment board is way, way down on the list.  Why should it have its own board when it has the least use of any of dozens of other topics and when its relatively few threads can already be put into Science, Anything You Like, or Entertainment?
"Our old forum is dead we should bring a newborn one to life."  
Steve Ox, GLF Forum, July 28, 2008

Assyriankey

Quote from: Son of Man on September 27, 2008, 08:19:05 AM
What I don't get is why an entire board needs to be tied to this.  I'm all for the experiments, but we already have a boards where they could go.  If we were going to add a board, it should be for something that would actually be made use of. 

I think it's because HM (and others) want the subject to benefit from the higher level of promotion that a dedicated board will give it.
Ignoring composer and wilson is key to understanding the ontological unity of the material world.

Son of Man

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Quote from: Assyriankey on September 27, 2008, 08:41:23 AM
Quote from: Son of Man on September 27, 2008, 08:19:05 AM
What I don't get is why an entire board needs to be tied to this.  I'm all for the experiments, but we already have a boards where they could go.  If we were going to add a board, it should be for something that would actually be made use of. 

I think it's because HM (and others) want the subject to benefit from the higher level of promotion that a dedicated board will give it.

Yes, but why single out that one particular topic for promotion?  More people are into things like Music, Movies, Hobbies, Sports, etc.  We can't have a board for every popular topic, so why choose one of the least popular topics and give it a board, which will surely be wasted?

This poll is useful in that it allows us to see if more than a few people would like a paranormal experiment board, but that's just the first step.  There should also be a poll to compare the popularity of the paranormal board to all the other possible boards.  We should be considering everyone's suggestions, not just one by HM.

I think a Cat board would be more popular.   ||PTW||
"Our old forum is dead we should bring a newborn one to life."  
Steve Ox, GLF Forum, July 28, 2008

Son of Man

HM, my apologies.  I thought this was board was meant as a public board!  : )

I have absolutely 0 objection to a private board for this kind of thing.  If it's a private board, I'd even like to be a part of it.  Assy and I worked hard to narrow the public boards down to just a few, and that's why i put up a fight against it.  If someone in this forum can float, i'd seriously like to see it.
"Our old forum is dead we should bring a newborn one to life."  
Steve Ox, GLF Forum, July 28, 2008

Assyriankey

Quote from: Son of Man on September 27, 2008, 09:31:22 AM
If someone in this forum can float, i'd seriously like to see it.

Sorry SoM - members only :)
Ignoring composer and wilson is key to understanding the ontological unity of the material world.

rickymooston

Assy lol about your comment above.

Quote from: Son of Man on September 27, 2008, 09:31:22 AM
HM, my apologies.  I thought this was board was meant as a public board!  : )

I have absolutely 0 objection to a private board for this kind of thing.  If it's a private board, I'd even like to be a part of it.  Assy and I worked hard to narrow the public boards down to just a few, and that's why i put up a fight against it.  If someone in this forum can float, i'd seriously like to see it.

Your explanation of the rational for the public board was noted. That was why I applied for a private board. (Me creating yet another forum was another possibility but most people including me are tired of having so many forums.) Other possibility is marking threads in science forum with the tag AME (Amateur Member Experiment experimnt.)    People may also want at some point to test other testable things that come up on board. Who knows. Cat has her prayer test fro example.  The results there are highly subjective of course but she is undergoing a personal test on the "seek and ye shall find claim".

The actual AIM of the board was to step up member participation on the forum in general and to offer something other forums don't have. (In addition to the friendly atmosphere, the board mostly does have)

My vision of the thing is like an Amateur Astronomy club. Actively learn from people like Shermer and Randy and indeed, if a member can "float", we will certainly allow them to demonstrate, .. :D. People are also welcome to offer alternate explanations if wierd phenomenon are observed.  People can try theor own ideas as well to see what happens.

Other things for discussion lessons learned from othe famous flawed experiments such as the CIA remote viweing experiments published in IEEE. (I was rather surprised so i emailed Shermer and asked him whether it was legit. He told me it was but pointed mey to the counter studies that came almost immediately afterwards.)

This board is about dialog in the "search for truth" about God.
"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute

hideousmonster

I'm hideousmonster, and I approve of these spelling errors.

rickymooston

Quote from: hideousmonster on September 28, 2008, 12:07:53 AM
Two to go!

Its a tough sell. I'm arbitrarily marking science threads with AME (Amateur Member Experiment).

I converted one of my original threads on my 5-card experiment in that fashion. https://isgodimaginary.com/forum/index.php/topic,1220.msg11772.html#msg11772

Next post in said thread will discuss the calculation of the expected value, application of the central limit theorem and any other stats I can think of.

I'll also discuss "random variable indepedence tests over my range.

(Alternatively, I b
"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute

spider

Yeah I'd like to be in on this. 

I appreciate the pitfalls associated with statistical anomalies and all that stuff, but this is one of those things where I have lots of conflicting information coming from many sources and no first-hand experience to compare them with.  That's not to say that first-hand experience will always be correctly interpreted by the observer, but it is to say that my curiosity is getting the better of me.

seka

So, if auzzie changes his tentative yes to a yes, it's twelve.

Auz

Quote from: seka on September 29, 2008, 06:00:17 AM
So, if auzzie changes his tentative yes to a yes, it's twelve.
Alright, ya talked me into it...

I just hope I don't regret signing on the dotted line...
Never Remember To Always Forget.

rickymooston

Thanks to everybody.

||grin||  Welcome back spider, been a while since seen you around. ;).
"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute

hideousmonster

Quote from: spider on September 29, 2008, 05:56:18 AM
Yeah I'd like to be in on this. 

I appreciate the pitfalls associated with statistical anomalies and all that stuff, but this is one of those things where I have lots of conflicting information coming from many sources and no first-hand experience to compare them with.  That's not to say that first-hand experience will always be correctly interpreted by the observer, but it is to say that my curiosity is getting the better of me.

First hand experiences may not be correctly interpreted byt eh observer, but if those experiences are repeatable, then it gives observers the opportunity to eliminate incorrect interpretations through further experimentation.
I'm hideousmonster, and I approve of these spelling errors.

hideousmonster

The poll shows eleven yeas... Do we have 12, and if so, can somebody list them by name?
I'm hideousmonster, and I approve of these spelling errors.

seka

1.
Quote from: catwixen on September 24, 2008, 01:32:13 PM
Aye aye capt'n, I would like to join as a spectator.
2.
Quote from: Assyriankey on September 24, 2008, 01:33:12 PM
I'm in!
3.
Quote from: Mooby the Golden Sock on September 24, 2008, 08:35:14 PM
I don't really care either way, but I'll say YES so you get your numbers up.
4.
Quote from: Vynn on September 24, 2008, 10:51:02 PM
Seems like an excellent idea. Count me in as well.
5.
Quote from: Ashe on September 25, 2008, 03:47:48 AM
I'd be happy to help in any way I can. I have two "homes." I'm in my dorm and oftentimes I go home on weekends...so...if either of these are helpful, then yeah, I'll do it.
6.
Quote from: seka on September 25, 2008, 01:42:34 PM
As a spectator only.
7.
Quote from: cmarie on September 25, 2008, 03:22:09 PM
I'm in too. :)

I have tarot cards also, haha. A GF made me dig them out not long ago when we were kind of drunk and we laughed so hard playing with them! It was hilarious.

But for the record, I am a skeptic.

8.
Quote from: Traveler on September 26, 2008, 06:23:49 PM
Sure, why not. I have five dogs if you need more guinea pigs for your animal communication experiments.
9.
Quote from: spider on September 29, 2008, 05:56:18 AM
Yeah I'd like to be in on this. 

I appreciate the pitfalls associated with statistical anomalies and all that stuff, but this is one of those things where I have lots of conflicting information coming from many sources and no first-hand experience to compare them with.  That's not to say that first-hand experience will always be correctly interpreted by the observer, but it is to say that my curiosity is getting the better of me.

10.
Quote from: Auzzie Souldi3r on September 29, 2008, 07:38:11 AM
Alright, ya talked me into it...

I just hope I don't regret signing on the dotted line...


And HM and Ricky make 12.

Oakley

I would be in favor of this.

I'm still a little confused as to the organizational ascepts of conducting these experiments though.

rickymooston

Quote from: Oakley on September 29, 2008, 06:51:26 PM
I would be in favor of this.

I'm still a little confused as to the organizational ascepts of conducting these experiments though.

No organization at all yet. Well, sort of on a volunteer basis and depends on each experiment. People may suggest other experiments too or other thoughts on how to make things better.

In some cases, people may hash out experimental details, look for flaws/refinements of try variants.

HM has several experiments in mind. At moment, once I get my framework back, the one concrete experiment I want to start with has several variants.

People can try live trials under certain conditions, .... can we find conditions where a person can use cold reading/body language techniques to improve their guesses, ....? Help with either the establishment or getting psychics to the independent site, ... (that has to exist first tho).  One can volunteer to be "tested" for fun, ...  (If somebody has live friends who like to evaluate their psychicness that might be fun, especially if those friends are pretty good at reading body language?)

Some people may find nice references. (E.g. Codd mention project alpha; while i actually have references to that., such refeences are useful, potentially. Codd not involved in this but he originally made some nice suggestions and expressed some potential concerns.)
"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute

velkyn

sounds like fun.  I'm always in for more information to stuff in my brain

hideousmonster

Quote from: Oakley on September 29, 2008, 06:51:26 PM
I would be in favor of this.

I'm still a little confused as to the organizational ascepts of conducting these experiments though.

It would vary, based on the experiment.  Some will envolve everybody, some will just be reported, and recommended for others to try on their own, and report the results back to the group, others will just be an individual member doing an experiment on his or her own, and keeping the group updated on the progres in real time.
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hideousmonster

So, when can we expect this group to be up and running?
I'm hideousmonster, and I approve of these spelling errors.

Assyriankey

Quote from: hideousmonster on September 30, 2008, 01:24:07 AM
So, when can we expect this group to be up and running?

Now you need to get a different group of people to approve of your group's inauguration.
Ignoring composer and wilson is key to understanding the ontological unity of the material world.

hideousmonster

Quote from: Assyriankey on September 30, 2008, 03:10:21 AM
Quote from: hideousmonster on September 30, 2008, 01:24:07 AM
So, when can we expect this group to be up and running?

Now you need to get a different group of people to approve of your group's inauguration.


You've got to be kidding me.
I'm hideousmonster, and I approve of these spelling errors.

rickymooston

Quote from: Assyriankey on September 30, 2008, 03:10:21 AM
Quote from: hideousmonster on September 30, 2008, 01:24:07 AM
So, when can we expect this group to be up and running?

Now you need to get a different group of people to approve of your group's inauguration.


I see. :D.

Er, I thought i had some people with connections in my group. ;).

Jokes aside ...?

Well let us know. In the mean time, I guess well will make threads with the AME (Amateur Member Experiment in the science tank. ;-).
"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute

Son of Man

Ok, guys, what would you like to call your group?  Please try to keep the title relatively short.  : )
"Our old forum is dead we should bring a newborn one to life."  
Steve Ox, GLF Forum, July 28, 2008

Auz

Just throwing this out there, but AMEN (Associated Member Experimental Nexus) or a similar acronym... it's gotta have a good acronym!
Never Remember To Always Forget.

Assyriankey

I think that's too religiousy for my liking.

How about "The Well-Wishers"?

:)
Ignoring composer and wilson is key to understanding the ontological unity of the material world.

rickymooston

Quote from: Son of Man on September 30, 2008, 07:59:23 AM
Ok, guys, what would you like to call your group?  Please try to keep the title relatively short.  : )

AEB associated experiments board
AME associated member experiments --- Its given that it is a board.
AME amateur member experiments
ME member experiments

"Re: Why should any Black man have any respect for any cop?
Your question is racist. If the police behave badly then everyone should lose respect for those policemen.", Happy Evolute